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Post by _ on Jun 18, 2012 20:59:59 GMT -6
I'm sick and tired of being taken advantage of and treated like I'm 5 years old. I'm sorry if I came off as narcissistic, but goddammit.... you guys just gotta know when to stop, it's not funny, cuz I'm not laughing. The biggest reason why I looked so egocentric, is cuz I'm pretty much the biggest target (if not, please tell me someone else who is being harrassed more... Kev? SNG?). idfk why you guys hate me so much, but I just want you to know that I'm not feeling welcome, and I just wanna know why the hell I'm hated so much here. It's just gotten to the point where I'm considering resignation. Do YOU have hope for this community? if so, why do you horse around so much? If you're yelling at me for discouraging any hopes to bring the community back, then you shouldn't make it look like you care less than I do, or you'd just look hypocritical. Again, sorry for the narcissism.... I'm just really pissed off right now, and wanted to just express how I really feel, cuz I just believed that nobody really knew.... Let's make something clear here. The post began with you complaining about being treated like a 5 year old, but then you go and make a big long post about your feelings like one. MAYBE a 10 year old, and that's as much as I'll give you. As bowsa, lih, and eataninja have all articulated, the onus is on you to realize that the internet is full of people who you won't like and won't like you, and running off and making secret clubs won't solve anything about the problem. The mature thing would be to just realize that we have our differences and that the relative anonymity of internet brings out the extremes of peoples' cynicism. Instead, you choose the 'moody teenager who thinks people on the internet give any semblance of a flying fuck' approach of making rants about how much your feelings are/were/will be hurt and believing that your earnestness will magically change peoples' opinions. (That it doesn't should be overwhelmingly obvious by now, and if you haven't figured that out by now maybe you should crawl back into your little private skype chat and whine to sympathetic ears about how much strangers on the internet upset you.)
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Post by GuitarMaster72 on Jun 18, 2012 21:04:31 GMT -6
so basically what you're saying is, you and everybody else are complete asswipes because: Hell, this is the internet, morals and manners don't matter. why aren't you assholes to each other? how come I'm the only one (or one of few) being harrassed here? If what you say is true, then you should be complete asswipes to EVERYONE.... not just me.
and ftr, I tried making a group where everyone was included... it didn't work... I'm not making some "secret skype group" so I can feel happy about some secret club you're not a part of... no. I did it so that I don't have to put up with bullshit anymore. If you guys weren't such fucktards, maybe you'd be in the group, but appearantly, you guys love being assholes on the internet that don't give a fuck about anyone.
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Post by eataninja on Jun 18, 2012 21:09:12 GMT -6
Because you put yourself in position where people HAVE to be mean to you. Are people too mean to you? Yes. Is it right that people go out of their way to avoid you? Depends on the person - I say no, we deal and move on, but others say yes, and there are merits to both approaches. But when you make posts like this that basically say "I'M A WHINY ASSHOLE WHO THINKS THE WORLD SUCKS I'M GOING TO HIDE IN A CORNER AND CRY WHILE LISTENING TO NICKELBACK RECORDS" people are not naturally going to be nice to you.
Also you're distracting more important discussion by turning this into a self-centered bitchfest, which is a shame, because I would agree with some of what you were saying if you presented it better.
(Also, at the risk of defending GM, during the brief window in which I was on Skype we all left GM's group because we didn't want to deal with him and others. I like the idea of private chats but in retrospect there's no reason why we shouldn't keep a full chat where EVERYONE is present. We can have conversations with who we want in our private enclaves, but in the end we're still supposed to be a community, and as such should have a community chat.)
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Post by GuitarMaster72 on Jun 18, 2012 21:22:24 GMT -6
LOL nickelback...
But anyways, yea, I get that this is the internet but we're still people... it's not like, just cuz we're online and have screenname, we become some cold heartless creature that doesn't have emotions for anything anymore. I'm surprised that any of you would think this way, for the one thing that brought us all together is music, which can bring out the deepest of emotions in people.
But if you're gonna be an asshole just for the sake of being one, and you enjoy it... then go ahead I guess. I figured you'd just do it to everyone then.... It just doesn't make sense to target one person. It's not gonna make people like you though
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Post by eataninja on Jun 18, 2012 21:25:56 GMT -6
See, if you guys are even remotely nicer to him, he sounds more rational.
I'm ducking out of this. Have fun.
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Post by _ on Jun 18, 2012 21:49:25 GMT -6
so basically what you're saying is, you and everybody else are complete asswipes because: Hell, this is the internet, morals and manners don't matter. why aren't you assholes to each other? how come I'm the only one (or one of few) being harrassed here? If what you say is true, then you should be complete asswipes to EVERYONE.... not just me. and ftr, I tried making a group where everyone was included... it didn't work... I'm not making some "secret skype group" so I can feel happy about some secret club you're not a part of... no. I did it so that I don't have to put up with bullshit anymore. If you guys weren't such fucktards, maybe you'd be in the group, but appearantly, you guys love being assholes on the internet that don't give a fuck about anyone. A very common misconception/redirect of this subject. My point is NOT that everyone on the internet is an asshole, but rather that the capacity for being one is much more accessible. Like in real life, you can choose to avoid the people who annoy you; but also similarly to real life, if you keep walking up to a bully and telling him about how mean he is and how pathetic of a person he is, he's probably gonna deck you. And hey, maybe he is mean and pathetic in your eyes, but he probably also has a bunch of friends of his own; just because you don't get along with someone doesn't mean they are socially inept. The situation here is very much the same. You come here and complain about how mean we all are, but I think it's clear by now that WE. DON'T. CARE. ABOUT. YOUR. OPINIONS. Sorry for the excessive punctuation (it hurt me to do that), but I wanted to emphasize that in a way bolding or underlining wouldn't be able to do. And, here's a thought: Maybe the reason you get so much negative response is because of your incessant whining.
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Post by bally on Jun 18, 2012 22:17:06 GMT -6
Do YOU have hope for this community? yes If so, why do you horse around so much? i like to have a laugh If you're yelling at me for discouraging any hopes to bring the community back, then you shouldn't make it look like you care less than I do, or you'd just look hypocritical. i'm not upset and i wouldn't even say i hate you. i snapped at you because of how undesirably pathetic and unnecessary your input on a community of people whom you've removed yourself from half of was, parading as an expert of ignorance and small-worldliness as if what little you have to do with the people who have done most with mpc is enough to deduct such a radical conclusion. it made my stomach turn.
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Post by GuitarMaster72 on Jun 18, 2012 22:43:58 GMT -6
@bally
Really? I thought you and everyone else in your friend circle would be glad to see me go. I figured it would just be relief from utter annoyance. Why else would I be tormented if I wasn't liked?
@tiger
do you care about anyone's opinions? if so why?
And I wouldn't whine so much if you guys wouldn't give me so much to whine about... if you think about it, you did this to yourselves. If you kick a guy in the nuts, he'll scream, and you'd probably yell at him for screaming. I'm sorry that I'm the kind of person that it's very difficult to ignore such torment.
And... umm... correct me if I'm wrong... but are you saying that bullying is a good thing? making others feel like crap isn't wrong in your eyes? or at least on the internet, anyways...
Like for real, I'm not so sure I'm "mad" anymore as much as I am "confused" now. This post isn't "whining" anymore as much as it is just straightforward questions now. Just tell me how you guys work so we're not just bitching at each other, cuz if this continues, it's just gonna get worse and worse... Please just... just... tell me what you want from me... what you expect of me... cuz appearently, I wouldn't be the target of everybody's insults and trolling, and I wouldn't have been banned if I wasn't doing "something" wrong.
In a simple phrase really: "Why can't we all just get along?"
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Post by lih on Jun 18, 2012 22:52:08 GMT -6
i think that GM going and making his own skype chat or whatever is a good thing - he doesn't really want to talk to us and we don't really want to talk to him and everyone's happy in their chats with the people they want to talk to. we don't need a 'community chat' with everyone just for the sake it. we've tried that lots of times and it doesn't work and no one likes it.
whatever 'hope' GM has for the community seems misplaced and naive - we're not going to be one homogenous group of people who all get along perfectly, as has been demonstrated time and time again. if you want to bring 'hope back to the community' or whatever, make mario paint videos??? and if you don't enjoy making them and don't want to, don't???
i'm not really sure what you're expecting, anyway, GM. these forums were never that active because the community's been small enough that the skype or chatzy or whatever chats have worked better and there was always plenty of 'horsing around' as you put it. the forums are back to normal now and everyone's in the silly skype chats they want to be, you and i included, so what's the big issue?
whatever issues you have with people personally probably aren't going to change by whining at them - instead realise that really you don't get along with us and we don't get along with you so expecting us to is silly and instead talk to people who you actually do get along with? that's why you made your own chat right?
also no one really thinks you're homophobic, that was levi messing with you because because he enjoys 'horsing around' even more and if he took it too far or whatever take it up with him.
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Post by bally on Jun 18, 2012 23:01:09 GMT -6
Really? I thought you and everyone else in your friend circle would be glad to see me go. I figured it would just be relief from utter annoyance. Why else would I be tormented if I wasn't liked? it would be. unless you find that resolve. and the teasing is only for laughs.
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Post by _ on Jun 18, 2012 23:04:32 GMT -6
@tiger do you care about anyone's opinions? if so why? And I wouldn't whine so much if you guys wouldn't give me so much to whine about... if you think about it, you did this to yourselves. If you kick a guy in the nuts, he'll scream, and you'd probably yell at him for screaming. I'm sorry that I'm the kind of person that it's very difficult to ignore such torment. Except in this shitty metaphor, you could have chosen to stay away from the guy who would kick you in the nuts, but instead you go up to him and tell him that he should be friends with you, and he says no, then you insist that he's a douchebag and must not have any other friends, then he kicks you in the nuts, then you complain about how much getting kicked in the nuts hurts, so he punches your face in because you won't take a hint and shut up. In case you weren't following: Getting into Skype chats where the majority of the people don't wish to talk about MPC or whatever subject you want to Those people telling you that they want to talk about things you don't like, so if you don't want to talk about them to go away Complaining to those Skype people that they're being assholes for not discussing what you want to discuss and insisting you're gonna make your own convo where you control the discussion Talking poo about those people in your chat, and so inviting their wrath in the form of trolling (because, returning to an earlier point of mine, negative emotions are enhanced on the internet) Making a new Skype convo and coming here to MPH and complaining to everyone within earshot (including the people who have expressed a very clear desire not to associate with you) how mean everybody is being to you, and you can't understand why The world of pain you've entered getting into an internet argument with me. The smart thing to do, GM, would be to get this very simple concept through your skull: The more you complain about the issue, THE WORSE IT GETS. i think that GM going and making his own skype chat or whatever is a good thing - he doesn't really want to talk to us and we don't really want to talk to him and everyone's happy in their chats with the people they want to talk to. we don't need a 'community chat' with everyone just for the sake it. we've tried that lots of times and it doesn't work and no one likes it. The problem is that GM is seemingly incapable of grasping the "everyone's happy in their chats with the people they want to talk to" part. He seems to possess this notion that his chat is so amazingly awesome that people would sell their soul to get sent an invite to it (because no trolls* allowed!!!1!). *By trolls I mean "People who want to (god forbid) not discuss his subject of the day
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Post by lih on Jun 18, 2012 23:15:26 GMT -6
that's exactly what i'm trying to convey lol i talk about that further down that big mess i typed
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Post by GuitarMaster72 on Jun 18, 2012 23:16:58 GMT -6
@lih
I suppose that's the easy way of dealing with it... just shut the door and ignore the people you don't like. I suppose that does work. (no sarcasm intended, in case it seemed so)
but really, after awhile, I didn't even care about the trolling.... Actually, after awhile, it was a calm place that everyone "could" get along. it was the spamming that was just dumb, and what caused this whole battle. I just kinda don't see what it is about spam that is funny, or cool, or enjoyable; could somebody enlighten me? I in fact, took a vote, I got like 5 other people to agree that spam is just annoying as fuck. Then you guys started to piss me off by justifying your spam, then I was banned from MPH.... I'm just kinda irritated by the thought that anyone should dislike me cuz I wouldn't intentionally do anything to piss someone off :/
So the basic idea from that, is I shouldn't express my dislike for spam or try to stop it, or I will be banned >_>
@bally
I'll try to be less annoying then I guess.... not sure how, but I'll try and find a way :/. Why do I feel like the only one teased? do you do it to others? I never see it anywhere else...
@tiger
LOLWUT?! You really think that THAT'S why I made the chat??! I made it so I could keep people out that were just gonna cause problems... and whenever someone wanted in, they could join. All I did was make a chat, and people stayed there. I wanted control of the chat so I could moderate the way I saw fit (and was actually far more lenient than many others thought I should have been). It wasn't so "I could have the coolest chat and have everyone be in it because I'm so awesome"
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Post by lih on Jun 18, 2012 23:28:07 GMT -6
the spam was just people fucking around and it was fun/amusing/funny (if you don't get it you don't get it really there's not much more to it then that) so we all joined in. don't take it personally. people have had a lot of fun at your expense (soz) really ie banning you for a few hours just don't take things too personally/seriously here.
also when we've tried having a big happy community chat it just doesn't work. you and the people you like to talk to are too different from us etc. and you'd usually take the resulting arguments personally. that lead to balloon and i being banned from herty's chat (because arguments are bad or something) so then we fucked around and actually caused chaos. we did that again recently but i think levi started that and it was fun.
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Post by bally on Jun 18, 2012 23:29:41 GMT -6
I'll try to be less annoying then I guess.... not sure how, but I'll try and find a way :/. Why do I feel like the only one teased? do you do it to others? I never see it anywhere else... i don't know. you're weird.
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Post by lih on Jun 18, 2012 23:30:45 GMT -6
i'm pretty sure you yourself used kevin and sng as examples of other people teased earlier GM???
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Post by GuitarMaster72 on Jun 18, 2012 23:38:50 GMT -6
Yea, kinda, but not nearly as much as me
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Post by shinyjiggly on Jun 19, 2012 3:23:34 GMT -6
Let's get back to talking about how we can improve the community as a whole instead of dwelling on internal squabbles. It's the summer right about now and since some of us have this season off from whatever, we should try and organize some events or something. This isn't a competitive tournament fighting game with tiers, this is a group of teenagers and young adults (and a couple old ones probably as well) who occasionally use a particular proprietary music program (based off of another that was featured in a video game that is as old as I am) to recreate their favorite songs and make their own ones up as well. While I know that not everybody is going to want to kiss, make-up, and all be nice to each other, that doesn't mean that we all can't be working towards a similar goal. We should be thinking about what directions our next steps as a community should take. The ceiling of knowledge for MPC seems to have been exhausted to such a high level, not to say that there isn't any more room for new techniques, new exploits, and other things like that, but it's gotten to a point where the top dogs need to scratch pretty hard to get any higher, and most of them have been dwindling down, leaving a huge decaying gap between the old masters and the new apprentices which is in danger of collapsing in on itself due to a lack of inspiration and growth (at least, that's my impression of the nature of this problem). What sorts of things have we grown more towards over the years? Which directions would be viable for our community to expand to? Do we even want to? Is this haxxed level 9 computer player pichu ready to be cut off from life support? Or should we try and evolve it and hope for the best? Only though constantly keeping it on our team and feeding it certain berries and vitamins can we get it closer to wanting to grow up. Without our attentive care, this place won't go anywhere and likely melt into eternal obscurity. But, the question is: if we do see the game over screen, should we continue or should we return to the title screen and pick another game? Or will the ones who care about each of us that do not play this "game" turn out to be the thing that requires the most attention, diverting our priorities towards greater purpose? That, is something that each of you must decide for yourselves. If you wish to continue, you may do that. But if you feel no desire to be here, remember that you have the free will to escape, for the doors are wide open for entry, exit, re-entry, and re-exit as well. The rest of our lives are ahead of us all. Some paths may split off, but that's okay. Even if this place decides to never revive and the stories of the great MPC-ers of old get passed into obscure internet legend, to be told to the noobs who will eventually attempt to research these kinds of things, I think that it will have been all worth it. I remember all of the good times that we had together. I remember being the only female in the Paintasy RPG, thus allowing everyone into the caves of lust and other sexy noises (or whatever it was called. The place where we found the baby face). I remember playing Brawl with TUZL, Mandy, lite, and Jamie, calling out every 69% and spamming the up and down B moves with blue Kirby. I remember sewing the pillow that one summer, thus leading me to make a tutorial, post it on another forum, get recruited to said forum's magazine team, and then eventually get promoted to staff member. I remember when we comforted Mandy after discovering Larx's true gender. I remember being bombarded by Josh about the creation of sandwiches every time that we were both in the same chat at the same time. I remember writing the very short fanfiction about Legend and TUZL. I remember the swastikas made of swastikas. I remember when levus and that other guy (sorry, forgot your name) posted their own versions of the same song at the same exact time, with the same exact description in a light-hearted attempt to "break youtube". While mostly all of these events happened in the skype chats (the earlier ones being in the chatzy chat), it doesn't change the fact that at one time or another, many of us were involve enough with this community to be able to enjoy their stay here. That being said, those events were in the past. The future ahead for us will likely be very different, but whichever paths we decide to take, there is always potential for a happy continuum, even if it isn't here. As for myself, I feel that I can still improve by a vast amount, despite acquiring various other freeware music programs in the past couple of years to be able to focus on. Likely I'll be hanging around here until I move out of my mom's house and get a real job, which could be a while with my current immaturity and self-esteem levels. Whoa, I think I might have wrote a run-on essay there.
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Post by tommy73 on Jun 19, 2012 6:41:15 GMT -6
good essay but you missed the point. E. i'm not upset and i wouldn't even say i hate you. i snapped at you because of how undesirably pathetic and unnecessary your input on a community of people whom you've removed yourself from half of was, parading as an expert of ignorance and small-worldliness as if what little you have to do with the people who have done most with mpc is enough to deduct such a radical conclusion. couldn't agree more than i can.
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Post by eataninja on Jun 19, 2012 7:59:53 GMT -6
MPMH Essay Writing Contest
Topic - Choose either: a) Compare and Contrast GM to your favorite socially awkward Youtube vlogger. b) Compare the fall of the MPMH to the fall of Rome
1st place winner gets a pack of Oreos and a swift kick in the balls.
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