Limitations my foot...

[blueheat127]

Why does everyone like the Blender? Because he was first? Well that's true, but it can't be the reason...

Because his songs sound just like the original? Now we all know that's not true, infact sometimes they don't even resemble the song.

Because of limitations, that's why. Now, last time I checked, the purpose of MPC is to make the song sound as much like the OST as possible. I guess with MP the rules were changed, the goal is to put a bunch of random note together, and even if it sucks you still get 100,000 views on youtube.

Occasionally I get really fed up so I post something like, 'This doesn't doesn't sound like the OST at all >.>'. Then I get a reply from someone that says 'I bet you could'nt do it as well as him'.

Well you know what, I can. It's not hard to make a song on MP where are the notes are wrong, people are still going to like it. Because of limitations.

I, honestly, think you should like a song based on the quality of the song, not the limitations.

Please discuss.

[Admin]

Nov 27, 2008 7:51:04 GMT -6 @blueheat127 said:

It's not hard to make a song on MP where all the notes are wrong, people are still going to like it. Because of limitations.

I, honestly, think you should like a song based on the quality of the song, not the limitations.

My point, exactly.

[Colin Comard (Delay)]

that's what i'm worried about with FP's new mario paint thing. I mean, it's awsome, but people will not be as impressed because it won't be very limited.

[blueheat127]

Okay, while that's not exactly what I'm trying to say here... It's about... Well... Oh, I've got it!

Blender claims to play over 7 instruments, and teach band class, yet, he uses such a primitive composition program. And naturally, his compositions never sound like the OST because the program is not any good. It's like if you're a professional chef, and you have all these fancy gadgets at your disposal, but instead you cook over an open flame using a stick.

The food will stink, and furthermore, no one will like it. It's just like that with Blender, except, for some reason I don't know, they LOVE his pieces.

Last time I checked composing a song was about the sound, not the bloody limitations, but people still claim that the songs are SO GOOD, just because of the freakin' limitations. It makes no sense.

That's the point I'm trying to make. Sorry if it seems jumbled up.

[Guru]

Oh I see... And I can very quickly come to agree with you there XD

Evolution happens, people. Mario Paint is evolving from its once primitive state.

...But I STILL feel really guilty with my overuse of soundfonts... XD And I'm worried that before long it will have changed so much that it won't be Mario Paint anymore... There's a borderline between man and ape, too, see...

[blueheat127]

Nov 27, 2008 18:06:04 GMT -6 Guru said:

Oh I see... And I can very quickly come to agree with you there XD

Evolution happens, people. Mario Paint is evolving from its once primitive state.

...But I STILL feel really guilty with my overuse of soundfonts... XD And I'm worried that before long it will have changed so much that it won't be Mario Paint anymore... There's a borderline between man and ape, too, see...

I know, we are mankind. Blender needs to fast forward into the Anno Domini days of Mario Paint.

There is, of course, a law. Just like in real life, if you tamper with something too much, there can be consequences. But if people weren't willing to take risks we would be deprived of a lot of things.

Blender needs to take the leap. Eventually(or at least I hope) his subscribers are going to move onto the next fad, or something more exciting. They're going to one day wake up and say, my bloody God, this doesn't sound like the song AT ALL!'

Then what? That is the ultimate question.

It's up to him, eventually the limitations aren't going to cut it.

[RehdBlob]

The thing is, people don't know what limitations these programs have. So if we keep complaining about them, (even if they're nonexistant) people will respect it.

[blueheat127]

Well clearly the limitations exist here, and clearly people know what they are. Or so they claim. All of Blender's 9000 subscribers are ignorant.

Maybe if they listened to songs by you or Tiger or EvilGrimace(especially his Megaman X songs ), that ACTUALLY sound like the OST then they would be brought into the light.

[Colin Comard (Delay)]

yeah or my.... one song.. .that... never mind.

Anyway I agree with you fully. And I think TBB stays at MP because that's what he's known for and been known for, and got in Nintendo Power (i think) for.

[blueheat127]

Someone needs to pour some water on his fans' faces. Maybe then they'll wake up and listen to the OSTs.

So.... I'm up for it... Anyone else?

[eataninja]

I agree that TBB is way overrated, but it's not that the notes aren't there. The problem with most of his tunes is that most of the harmonies and precussion is very spaoradic because a) he tries to use weird sounds and b) limitations. He has improved greatly in those aspects, but I'm still not very impressed.

I personally like most of AzureDreams compositions (the newer ones) better.

And honestly blueheat, you're being a litttle harsh. You can't just destroy someone's reputation because you don't like his videos. What will he (and his more enduring subscribers) think? You'll end up in way more trouble than you intended.

[blueheat127]

It was a joke. And, I guess it's only Blender I don't like, because AzureDreams is very good.

[eataninja]

It sounded oddly serious...

[blueheat127]

Hey, you're the one who has a comic about Jesus in his sig.

[eataninja]

I don't think Jesus (or the comic) has anything to do with my post.

[Admin]

Please to be avoiding strife and anger kthx bai

[winterbourne2k]

I'm a traditionalist (as far as MPC is concerned), and I don't mind working around the limitations. I tend not to see the limitations, I like to improvise when I reach a wall to actually go around it and still make it sound decent (check my Gauntlet video for example).

Even if I could get all the soundfonts, I wouldn't know what to do with them, lol, that kind of composition is far too complex for me to grasp, so I'm sticking to simplicity.

[cypher8301]

I am more about the final sound and accuracy of the piece than the fact that it is on MPC. I guess that is because I am a musician first before a MPCer. A lot of traditionalists probably look down on my work and frown because I do so much soundfont editing, but I just want to make good sounding videos.

Cypher

[blueheat127]

Nov 27, 2008 22:38:13 GMT -6 cypher8301 said:

I am more about the final sound and accuracy of the piece than the fact that it is on MPC. I guess that is because I am a musician first before a MPCer. A lot of traditionalists probably look down on my work and frown because I do so much soundfont editing, but I just want to make good sounding videos.

Cypher

Okay, you see. That's how Blender should feel. He should care most about the sound, as I do, as Cypher does, and as(I hope) everyone of the bloody forum does. But he doesn't, he uses MP because of the limitations and gets fans.

He claims to teach seven different instruments. What kind of teacher are you if you don't care about the sound?

[Jamie]

You have to remember TBB's been using Mario Paint years before composer came out. He's made his name with mario paint.

So what if he has limitations? Using Mario Paint is a lot different from using Composer. I see Mario Paint as a demonstration of skill, whereas Composer is more making the song sound like the OST (like you said). And can I ask, is it wrong to be impressed by skill and improvising? Sure, his compositions don't sound perfect, but he uses clever thinking and improvising to make it sound as good as it can get (unlike some videos, just take a look at my Route 209 video and compare it to his)