Pokemon through Generations

[Cat]

Mar 22, 2009 16:06:06 GMT -6 brianLED said:

The reason that I'm not as thrilled with Diamond/Pearl is that they changed a lot, especially with the physical/special split, new evolution lines, new evolution methods, TMs, and whatnot. That's why it didn't catch on as much with me. Not saying that I don't like the games, but I'm just not as into Diamond/Pearl as I was with GSC and RSE.

Your new name is "Brian Hypocrite"; you bashed D/P for having too many changes. If you hate changes, then why did you like G/S (which had many of the same changes)?

[brianLED]

Well, you asked for it. Disclaimer: The following expressed is my personal perception and may or may not be the same as anyone else's.

The difference is G/S/C made improvements to R/B/Y, R/B/Y which is great but had several flaws simply because it's the very first game. For example, the problem of Wrap lasting for long, tedious amounts of time was fixed, Psychic types being overpowered and basically unopposed was countered by the inclusion of the Dark type, that pokemon like Jynx, Farfetch'd (in R/B) and Mr. Mime would only have one available despite not being legendary or particularly exclusive was fixed by breeding, etc.

In contrast, Diamond/Pearl followed R/S/E, R/S/E which was already a very advanced game and with the rest of the third gen., had no problems with pokemon availability, good competitive play and movesets available, nice-looking graphics, etc. There wasn't nearly as much for Diamond/Pearl to improve upon, though there are certain things that it did, such as abolishing the PC for items, WiFi, cool poketch stuff, more effective type-boosting items, running in buildings, and others.

But it's a mixed bag for me -- I like a lot of the stuff in Diamond/Pearl, especially the amount of details and things that can be done, but some changes which I don't like are the double battle changes, most evolutions of old pokemon lines, Team Galactic, L1 eggs, everything related to Super Contests, Cut doesn't cut tall grass (which I used to do all the time), automatically scrolling battle messages ("wait -- what attack was that?"), Honey Trees, Surf being slow, and others of which I can't think right now.

Some of these changes may be perceived as improvements as well -- it's all a matter of personal taste. But that's generally why I'm less interested in D/P. Don't get me wrong, I still like the game and series, though perhaps not as much as I liked R/S/E.

[egg567]

I like them all, of course. I'm sure everybody used the glitch in R/B to make your 6th inventory item go up by 100 or something. Who could forget Missingno!

[KM]

Mar 23, 2009 13:57:01 GMT -6 egg567 said:

I like them all, of course. I'm sure everybody used the glitch in R/B to make your 6th inventory item go up by 100 or something. Who could forget Missingno!

I'm not a big fan of glitches, but I should try it out sometime. Yes, NOONE, and I mean NOONE can forget the M-Block.

[hotrods4ben]

Rating of each gen:

RBGY: 90%
GSC: 97%
RSE: 89%
DPPt: 96%

I lourve diamond more than a lot of people. I'm not a pokemon fanboy, I just love the series. but yeah, gsc ftw and dppt soon follows. rse just doesn't have the same... feel? to it, not that it was bad in any way.

GSDS!!!1!11!one!1!eleven!!111! Well, now it would be GSDSi ;D

[buckyboy2009]

I can't disagree with anything anyone has said, so I'll give my opinion.

I didn't get into Pokemon until I was in third grade (1999-2000), so the Sunshine of Good Fortune of R/B/Y had already past and the was heading towards Gold and Silver. Pokemon silver was the first Pokemon/RPG gmae that I had ever played, and I fell in love with it. Nothing is better when you're 9-ish being in control of other things, especially living things. My Silver addiction came to a short stop when I reached the Ice Cave (stupid sliding puzzle ), but thankfully, everyone in my grade also had a Pokemon game and brought it to school, where we played it before, after, and sometimes during class, so I got some help and continued. (FYI, GameBoys were banned that same year in the spring. Mission acomplished)

With the coming of Ruby and Sapphire, I had become an addict. I had acquried Blue (IDK how) Yellow (friend's spare), and Crystal (birthday), I watched the anime series, and had a few cards, and I was hoping for Ruby on the following birthday. Luckily I got it, and enjoyed spending a lot of my summer vacation playing it. By the end of Ruby my Pokemon addictioon had fallen, only fueled again by getting FireRed, Sapphire and acquiring Gold, along with Emerald later that following year.

Mow with Diamond/Pearl coming, I wasn't as addicted as before. Teh anime series (IMO) had taken a jump off a cliff, so I stopped watching. I have no idea where any of my old Pokemon card went (There was no Charizard, so it didn't matter and no, cat, you can't have them if I find them I had a job, so I could pay for the games when they came out, so I preordered Diamond, since a Diamond is more manly than a Pearl () and Dialga looked sweet.

Now it is today. Most (if not all) my old Pokemon games have been invaded my relatives (including Silver, which, at last count, was at >600 hours on it w/ 247 Pokemon before it was erased ) Diamond sits securly next to my Pearl, DS lite, and newly acquired Platinum. I'm not that hardcore of a Pokemon fan anymore (curse you Xbox!), but I still love playing the games, watching the occasional anime episode, and showing off my nifty Celebi to anyone that walks by in the Wi-Fi Plaza (yeah, I got one. No lie. ;D)

Anyway, here are my ratings and explanations (IMO):

R/B/Y: 87%

Sure, it seems low, but then again, I never got to really experience the full fun of the games. By the time I owned them, I had clocked in at least 50 hours on Silver, and it felt like a step back. Don't get me wrong, I liked them (especially Yellow), but 100 less little critters to get, limited items, and not much to do after beating the game kind of gave me that, "That was it?" sensation. (But the Missing-no glitch was fun, along with the Mew glitch, which I do all the time now)

G/S/C: 98%

My favorite generation. Color, a new region, wonderful music, exploring Kanto after the Elite Four again, battling yourself (?) in Mt. Silver, gettinf to beat up on Team Rocket again, and, of course, the legendary birds. I can honestly say that Lugia was by far my favorite Pokemon, and was the first Pokemon I got to Lv. 100. (my bro's was Ho-oh). If they made a remake (which they should and will), I would definitely buy it. I mean, if Pokemon was nothing more than a cash cow now, how mush moolah will they get from remakes? A crapload.

R/S/E: 93%

It was like Call of Duty: World at War and Spiderman 3: a lot of hype, and was decent, but couldn'nt live up to it's predecessor.
Sure, wonderful graphics, a lot of gameplay, and fun music, but the Pokemon started looking silly (Regis?) or copied previous generations (Butterfree > Beautifly). Contests were something I didn't get into, orreally like for that matter, and the fact that I couldn't catch both Legendaries in the same game anymore (because I used to be a Legend noob) made me . One plus: catching me a shiny Rayquaza on Sapphire.

D/P/Pt: 90-95%

This is a diffucuilt decision. I haven't played much of my Platinum to rate fairly, but with my knowledge on the other two, it's pretty high. Once again, not a great as the last gen, but it had it's good moments, such as the day/night system returning along with the Poketch (reminded me of PokeGear). yet there was also some low points. (Bidoof, a lot of new evolutions: pre and pro(?)) Also, to me, it seemed like my Pokemon were not getting trained enough whenever I played theough (on the two times). I'd need to train for at least three hours until my Pokemon were ready to take on the Elite Four, and then they were underleveled.

Whew, my hands are tired.

Anyway, there's my opinion. One thing I would like to see is either the removal of HMs/a designated HM move slot, or Johto again, and something new that would make me go, "Why haven't they done this yet?!!?"

~buckyboy

[Cat]

To save clicking the Quote button, this is a reply to buckyboy.

Your story is actually very similar to mine, especially on how you were late on the first generation. I can still remember waiting in line at Toys "R" Us for Sapphire and playing it day in and day out more than any of the other games (until Pearl). That was the first game I got on release day (March 17, 2003).

But that all changed when I got Pearl; that's when I realized how many Pokémon fans went to my school. I'd often have battles and trades with friends. (Guess what? DSes and other portable devices like iPods were banned too!)

An interesting case to share is this: A friend told me he didn't like Pokémon at all; he thought it was stupid and he "grew out of it" many years before. Well, April 23 (day after DP release) comes along and he has a brand new DS Lite and Pokémon Diamond! I asked him again and he said "I guess I couldn't avoid it" and we commenced a few trades.

[KM]

@ Cat:

Remember that Wii idea where you could battle in the wild and stuff w/ the Wii?
serebii.net/melee/
It's here.

[Cat]

I actually watched a live stream of someone playing that game 2½ hours ago. I've known about it since its announcement. I can guarantee I'll buy it when it comes stateside.

[fullnintendo]

On a out-of-the-discussion note, I voted *R/B/Y*. It's actually my favorite generation, but not because the others are more bad or anything, just because it's the only one that I know .

Where I live, the Pokémon phenomenon ended years ago when I was still in elementary school. When it started, almost everyone got crazy about it, bought Pokémon cards, was watching the anime and the films, etc. The attention was directed more to the Pokémons themselves rather than the games. However, maybe around sighly after the release of G/S/C, the *new* factor disapeared and they became less and less popular. I guess it was a one-time craze here.

I did enjoyed the time I was a Pokémon fan and still got all the stuff I bought : 3D cards, Pokémon guide, Math booklets (for real!), etc.

[Rusty]

I think it was like that everywhere. Things started dying out during G/S/C.

However, plenty of people still play them, and actually, the games are getting a bit of a resurgence with D/P/Plt.