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Post by cynagen on May 4, 2010 9:34:42 GMT -6
I was wondering how the community would feel about a sponsored competition here on MPH with cash/gift certificate prizes for the top 3 composers. I (Mario Paint Recorder) would be the sponsor for said event.
Prizes would be as follows: First place: $40 & 10 Expedited Process Tokens (EPTs) Second: $20 & 7 EPTs Third: $10 & 5 EPTs 3 Honorable mentions: 3 EPTs
The cash prizes can be claimed as either a gift certificate to the online retailer of your choice (e.g. Newegg, Amazon, etc.) or as a Paypal gift.
The Expedited Process Tokens (EPTs) are a feature I plan to incorporate into MPR whereby when you're submitting your track for processing, if you enter in the optional EPT field your token code, it will move your track to the top of the list, and email/text to alert me that a track must be done right away. EPTs will have a guaranteed 12 hour turnaround time as compared to the free service which is up to 48 hours or longer depending on issues/time constraints.
I welcome all feedback on this subject and will be more than happy to answer any questions. I'd like the admins/moderators of MPH to mull this over and get back to me as well about whether or not you approve or would like to see a change.
Rules I have so far: Tournament is 3 stages, with 3 separate songs for you to duplicate inside Mario Paint Composer. Third party/custom sound fonts are allowed as long as they do not use portions of the original song you are to be duplicating. Submissions will be ranked in order of closeness to original track (or originality in "remixing"), and assigned a point value (1-10) based on this ranking. The composer with the most points at the end of the event will take first place and so on. Entry will be limited to 10 composers (66% chance of winning something,) first come first admitted (after staff approval, this is not the signup thread, just discussion.) In the event of a tie for any of the top three prizes, the submissions will be posted together in a single thread with a poll for public voting. Of course, cloning somebody else's submission is forbidden and will result in immediate ejection from the competition. Poll padding, or any form of enticement to the public for a vote will result in disqualification for that stage.
All three stages will be posted at once, and submissions for each stage will be accepted any time after the competition starts until it ends. If no submission is received in time, then you get 0 points for that stage. The competition will run for 2 weeks after starting, with a 3-day grace period before in which to obtain the original tracks and study them.
Let me know what you think folks.
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Post by superiorlarxene on May 4, 2010 11:45:48 GMT -6
I guess i'll join.
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Post by esojestmort on May 4, 2010 12:03:42 GMT -6
I'm in! Sounds like a decent tournament, although it's going to be hard to judge with the variety of soundsets that might be showing up (I guess I'm mainly talking about myself here... ) And please, no judges system like in the other tourneys, just because I can imagine a lot of people giving the original soundset a higher value (no offense). I mean, it's just my opinion, and if you handle it another way I'm completely fine with it, but I don't think a judges system will work on this.. EDIT: oh, and by the way, do I get it right that we have to finish like 3 songs in 2 weeks?
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Post by superiorlarxene on May 4, 2010 12:05:42 GMT -6
I'm in! Sounds like a decent tournament, although it's going to be hard to judge with the variety of soundsets that might be showing up (I guess I'm mainly talking about myself here... ) And please, no judges system like in the other tourney, just because I can imagine a lot of people giving the original soundset a higher value (no offense). I mean, it's just my opinion, and if you handle it another way I'm completely fine with it, but I don't think a judges system will work on this.. EDIT: oh, and by the way, do I get it right that we have to finish like 3 songs in 2 weeks? I completely agree.
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Post by Rusty on May 4, 2010 12:24:39 GMT -6
I recommend you limit it to one soundfont.
It's almost impossible to judge an MPC fairly if everyone is using different soundfonts.
Also, I think you should open up the entry limit to more people. 10 people doesn't seem like very much.
Also, I'm not sure about offering money as a prize. I mean, it's not a bad idea per se. It's never been done before and could be interesting. It's just, as it is with any prize, you have to follow through regardless of situation.
All in all with a few tweaks to the rules of the tournament, this could be a good idea.
I will not enter myself though. Especially since money is involved, I don't want to suck the fun out for everyone else, since I noticed that a lot of people seem instantly discouraged when they're up against me for some reason (MPC Tournament, SotW, etc).
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Post by superiorlarxene on May 4, 2010 12:42:29 GMT -6
Orchestra soundfont!
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Post by cynagen on May 5, 2010 5:03:29 GMT -6
All three tracks are techno/industrial, so I don't think the orchestra soundfont would be a suitable choice.
That being said, I may not limit it to just 1 soundfont, I was thinking along the lines of Original and Aldolfo Baez's Electronic soundfont if there were any limitations. Honestly I wanted it open to all soundfonts simply because it's going to be difficult enough to make 3 songs in 2 weeks, I doubt anyone would waste even a day on making a custom soundfont. Maybe somebody could make a better rendition of the track with a different soundfont? You never know, and with a cash prize, I want to encourage folks to get creative with their renditions/arrangements/solos, whatever they may chose to do within their allotted time.
Public voting is only on tie breakers for one of the cash prizes, maybe I might forgo this...
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Post by superiorlarxene on May 5, 2010 7:05:21 GMT -6
What is industrial?
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Post by cynagen on May 5, 2010 10:54:08 GMT -6
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Post by superiorlarxene on May 5, 2010 10:56:47 GMT -6
Oh, that's cool. Electronica soundfont may be the best.
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Post by hotrods4ben on May 5, 2010 12:54:22 GMT -6
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Post by That One User on May 5, 2010 15:45:00 GMT -6
I don't really like the idea of giving cash for a MPC contest. It seems like you're just trying to get a big competiton together by offering money. Which reminds me, where are you getting $70 just to spend on some random Internet person's Mario Paint compositions? Do you have a spouse/anyone else who lives with you who knows about this? I know if I spent $70 on an internet competition my parents would murder me. (As well I would as a parent.) Granted, if you have a well-paying job (I'd imagine you're in the computer industry) and you don't have much to buy, I can understand this. I just don't see how $70 is a good payoff for a Mario Paint song(s) when we get half a dozen per day for free.
And even if, I would certainly recommend using three diverse songs in the original soundfont. With cash involved, it would certainly have to be an all-around contest, and with three techno songs and the Electronic soundfont, it seems very specialized. I mean, we haven't had an electronic contest yet, but if this is a "MPC Cash Competition" then it should be all around, and I think without a doubt it would have to be the original soundfont that would pretty much have to be it.
And these "EPTs" are another thing I disagree with. We now know that you check these recordings on a twice-daily basis, so it seems kinda ridiculous that we are waiting 7-10 days and maybe getting them back. I personally am a little biased against MPR, so this all kinda sounds harsh and I don't want you to take it that way.
But all in all, I don't want you to stop this contest just because I disagree with it. I know a lot of people are going to have fun with this, but I would've run it a lot differently.
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Post by kacelano on May 5, 2010 16:19:30 GMT -6
I don't like the idea of cash prizes too much. I can't exactly pinpoint it but it's the same reason why sports teams compete for a trophy not money. The general rectitude of it suffers.
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Post by DeliciousMasturbator on May 5, 2010 16:26:19 GMT -6
Sorry to say this but I'm totally against the idea, a contest on this sort of this would only promote greed and doing this not out of want, but for the money. Wrong ethic here completely. Maybe if you changed the alter motive of the contest from it being about winning the cash to something else maybe?
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Post by superiorlarxene on May 6, 2010 5:15:52 GMT -6
I'm not in for the money. (It's quite obvious since I have my own. >_>) I'm in for the fun.
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Post by spellbee2 on May 6, 2010 14:34:00 GMT -6
Yeah, I don't like the idea of offering money either. It just seems like too much hassle. Mario Paint Composer is popular, but it's not worth wasting $70 for. The EPT's are a good idea, but not everyone uses the MPR.
Tournaments are really just supposed to be for fun (and bragging rights :P), not cash prizes and stuff like that...
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Post by DeliciousMasturbator on May 7, 2010 12:02:33 GMT -6
Why not try changing the prize something that's money orientated to something tangible for example?
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Post by The angry Bob on May 7, 2010 17:18:05 GMT -6
Why not try changing the prize something that's money orientated to something tangible for example? Why does it matter anyways? He wants to do what he wants to do. If he wants to have a cash give away as the prize for the tournament then, he can. It's not really up to you guys to decide. If you guys don't like the idea of him giving away money, then don't join. It is as easy as that.
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Post by kacelano on May 7, 2010 19:40:22 GMT -6
Why not try changing the prize something that's money orientated to something tangible for example? Why does it matter anyways? He wants to do what he wants to do. If he wants to have a cash give away as the prize for the tournament then, he can. It's not really up to you guys to decide. If you guys don't like the idea of him giving away money, then don't join. It is as easy as that. Subject of thread: Feedback on competition idea. This is not the competition thread where we all say "Sign me up". This is a thread where cynagen (respectfully) is asking for our Feedback of his idea for a competition; to ask whether or not we think it is a good idea. And from our Feedback, he can move in the best direction--which may mean altercation or complete giving up--for his competition.
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Post by spellbee2 on May 7, 2010 21:24:32 GMT -6
^ what he said
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