MARIO PAINT FIFTH COMMUNITY COMPOSITION PROGRESS

[Meldan]

We always can do 1 for the good, an 1 for the not so good, because 4 6th community oc's are a bit much

[Rusty]

I completely disagree with keeping people out just because they aren't as experienced. Getting involved in things like this will help everyone get better in the long run.

I do think the splitting into groups of 7 or 8 idea might work though, but each group would have to have a devoted leader. Maybe have one overall leader that makes sure the leaders of each group are doing alright, and then individual group leaders that keep their group flowing

Also, as I brought up on the video, it might be helpful to actually have a theme in mind before doing an OC. Just putting people in a group, and giving them no direction other than key, tempo, and soundfont will result in everyone just retracting to what they know best in terms of thematics, and that's their own style.

[gudtavosky]

i think we should make 2 groups of random selected MPCers. Thats fair for me.

and giving a selected theme to start with wont help, since everyone will just make remakes of the theme, which wont look like a good OC either. Knowing the main theme of the song is important when making a comunity OC, but its not so easy to follow it. Some did in the fifth one, and i think keeping this idea isnt bad, it just need to be practiced.

[eataninja]

Guys, this is f***ing ridiculous. This is all you need to do:
-Cap the signups at 12 composers. Keep the latecomers as substitutes for when people drop out
-Make it a requirement that any entrant must have at least TWO decent original compositions published on Youtube
-Keep a 30 second limit on files
-Allow for key changes/tempo changes/modulations, so long as they make sense and people properly follow them
-All files should be sent within a week, NO EXCEPTIONS, unless there are extenuating circumstances
-Give the leader continuous updates on the progress of the medley by sending him the files (the leader, by the way, should be someone who knows what a good OC should sound like)
-Before the files are sent to the next person, have the leader provide feedback and criticism. If a file is lacking in quality, it should be revised
-At the end of the project, the leader should listen to the piece as a whole and make minor fixes/changes to transitions/note errors. They should not make any changes without consulting the composer first and discussing the errors
-Every composer should have a Skype/MSN to help ease the process

I feel like this is more fair than outright banning people, or having two leaders (which worked terribly last time).

Yes, I was irritated enough by looking at this conversation to respond. >_>

[Youne]

Having hosted the previous Community Comp, I'd like to impart a few words. This is long, bear with me please.


Given that this is a community composition, there are innumerable variables that can influence one's composing abilities on a given day and thus affect the continuity and flow of the composition as a whole. We have to work with one of the hardest unpredictable variables: Our fellow composers, namely, the one preceding us. I tried to deal with this by incorporating the preview thing, but I kinda failed with that because of school taking over my life, however I still think it's a very good idea because it at least can provide with some thematic direction to the composers in line. I hope the future host can incorporate this in the next Community Comp.

Not having Skype was a mistake on my part, since almost everyone I know has one, as well as majority of the community here, so that could have made some processes move more efficiently; however, despite the last couple composers and the unfortunate timing of the entire situation with testing season and college applications around that time of the year, everything went pretty smoothly from beginning to end. Perhaps the composer limit was too high, wanting to give everyone who wanted to participate a shot and composing, seasoned OCer or not, but I think the Community Comp. turned out amazing despite all of the negative comments (and really, it's only one negative thing that everyone kept bemoaning................).

In response to talk of only limiting this to seasoned veterans and whatnot, I wholeheartedly disagree with that. I myself am not a good OCer, and am even worse at using the program we all have in common. But, to limit participation only to the elite with passable qualifications goes against what I believe, is what a community is about. A community should be able to help fellow members, new and old alike, in a multitude of ways, one of them being improving upon our Mario Paint knowledge and skills. We even have threads and boards dedicated to helpful information and things related.... The community OC is a great way at improving one's skills, for they might not normally deal with these conditions on their own endeavors, and by being forced to think on their feet and work with conditions, it can greatly improve their skills. With that said, limiting only to the elite doesn't really make this a COMMUNITY composition, now does it?

I could keep on talking, but I would then be pretty much saying most of Eataninja's points over again...

[GuitarMaster72]

i'm totally with ya youne. i also do like the idea of having 2 seperate community compositions, one for strong composers, one for the weak... BUT, what if we connected them both somehow? we try to remain in one key for both... have someone really good create a transitioning file to connect the two pieces together, having others help with tweaks and fixes with the transition of one composition to the next? I think this would not only be good for the weaker composers to get better, but would help us join together as a community and become more united as a whole.

[Herty]

Jun 25, 2011 16:00:53 GMT -6 @eataninja said:

- must have at least TWO decent original compositions published on Youtube
-Keep a 30 second limit on files

I think that's a better requirement, actually.
With the time limit, how about a limit of 40? I've tried this before, and although I understand you wanna keep the comp from being too long, you still don't have much time to contribute to the song with 30.

[MrBretowsky]

Look, guys, I'm saying this as an amateur MPC composer: we, the new guys, who are no experts in MPC composing, cannot have the right to be frustrated or mad if we are left out of the community comp. because this thing is supposed to sound awesome, and if we can't give a consistent contribution yet, we will gladly (I will, at least) leave it to people who can do it.

If one of the still weak MPC composers gets offended by being left out of the community composition, then he is failing to compare his skills with the veteran's skills, and this is solely his problem.

As a weak MPC composer, I say: LEAVE THE NEW GUYS OUT UNTIL THEY MEET CERTAIN REQUIREMENTS!

I'm just saying this because I want to see an amazing composition, elitist or not, and not a poor but democratic composition.